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How bad was it?

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Even worse than I thought.

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Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
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Wasn't there a TV commercial a ways back with a tag line that went something like: "Boy, I sure did pick a bad night to give up drinking".
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geeznotagain wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:34 pm Wasn't there a TV commercial a ways back with a tag line that went something like: "Boy, I sure did pick a bad night to give up drinking".
The classic movie Airplane...

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utahozzie wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
Or maybe it truly is a coaching issue that multiple guys aren’t buying into your program and your team is miles away from the NCAA tournament in Year 4….
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utahozzie wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
Ironic that this is exactly what CKS did but was blasted for throwing players under the bus. I'm a fan of old school coaches - CJS is very similar in many ways to CKS is - I just hope we see similar results soon.
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Well, it was really bad. Only thing I liked was Liam coming back, and even he was ice cold in the first half. This was complete domination by Bama. We looked lost. We were totally out hustled. We cannot create and take a decent shot against a good athletic team. [sigh]

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Jason94 wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:49 pm
utahozzie wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
Ironic that this is exactly what CKS did but was blasted for throwing players under the bus. I'm a fan of old school coaches - CJS is very similar in many ways to CKS is - I just hope we see similar results soon.
What type of results are you looking for? This is a really bad look in year 4. The most disappointing part is how poorly we played in non-conference, this team is very much underperforming.
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Not buying in? Ty was one of the few who was hustling the last few games. This reads like a personal beef till me.
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Two different teams

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This wasn't the same team or effort we saw at A&M. Combine the lack of effort, a highly motivated Alabama team playing at home, and a Vanderbilt roster without much depth, and you've got the perfect recipe for a beat down.

Unfortunately, we've seen this type of variance several times this year.

Is it the coach's fault? Is it the roster construction? Is it something else?

Personally, I think there's a lack of leadership on the team. And when the older players aren't ready to play or think the other team is better or has a brand name on the jersey (Alabama/Kentucky), there seems to be a downtick in energy and effort. Unfortunately, that's picked up by the younger players. Not every player falls under that spell, but something is missing, and old-school discipline and decreased playing time don't seem to motivate.

It's a hard road to build a roster these days.

With the transfer portal open and so quickly utilized, most programs/coaches that don't have built-in advantages have a fine line to walk. And let's face it, playing time is more important than the degree to a number of players. Add on NIL money for the better players, and it's a minefield.

Major college athletics is changing. And it's gonna get worse.
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Wright and Stute should be the leaders of this team....but they are not leading. There is no one that appears to be doing that or getting team fired up when down. Stute 4 points....Wright zero!
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Nashmann wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:56 pm Wright and Stute should be the leaders of this team....but they are not leading. There is no one that appears to be doing that or getting team fired up when down. Stute 4 points....Wright zero!
JW had his bell rung. He left the game with lightheadedness per the Tennessean. Likely should not have played again after that collision with Robbins. Just hoping he’s ok.


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Jason94 wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:49 pm
utahozzie wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
Ironic that this is exactly what CKS did but was blasted for throwing players under the bus. I'm a fan of old school coaches - CJS is very similar in many ways to CKS is - I just hope we see similar results soon.
Stack indeed is old school in his approach just like Dean Smith and Bear Beyant. Unfortunately, this is not the good old days. I would put Corbin on the list of old school in today's world who is winning - Sabin, too. What those 2 modern day winners have done better than Stack is recruit. Here's hoping Stack can recruit the kind of players who respond and develop under old time discipline and expectations. I suspect Candice is old school in her philosophy, not sure about Chancellor who has put a lot of skin in the athletics game. We shall see what happens, but my prediction is we get a much better performance Saturday. Hope Wright is ok.
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Look on the bright side: in football Vanderbilt only lost by 52 against Alabama
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utahozzie wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm Ty Lawrence just got blasted for not being serious. Says he’s rooting out guys who aren’t committed. Referred to young guys not buying in either which explains why Shelby isn’t playing.

I can be frustrated with stack but respect his willingness to stick to his laurels if guys aren’t bought in. Losing the battle to win the war…
Maybe there is a reason they are not buying in
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as if last night wasn't bad enough, while they were showing the 'handshake' line or whatever a stat was shown on the screen:

'BIGGEST WIN BY AN SEC TEAM IN A LEAGUE GAME SINCE 2003." The losing team in THAT fiasco was none other than Vandy,losing 106-44 to UK.
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When it appears that a majority of the team is not buying in, and you brought in the guys on the team, maybe its time to look in the mirror and reevaluate. I'm so done.
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It's February and spring baseball is just around the corner...
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The majority of the team IS buying in. Also- QMB is the leader of the team and not Wright/Stute.
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Foreverhopeful wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:19 pm The majority of the team IS buying in. Also- QMB is the leader of the team and not Wright/Stute.
QMB is a very solid human being, but he has way too big a role on an SEC basketball team and has regressed materially since last season. Same can be said for Trey Thomas, shooting only 31% from 3pt and still averaging over 23 minutes a game.
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