Vanderbilt-Mizzou thread

[commadore]

LIKE I SAID. THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.

[SCSA]

You couldn’t invent a worse football team if you tied

[wbl]

D has been bad all day…

[roanoke]

Incredible.

Their qb is out. We know who is getting the ball. He runs for 70 yards?

I think this staff out thinks itself.

[UltimateVUFan]

Good grief. Is it basketball season yet?

[roanoke]

Wright at least padding his passing stats. Good for confidence.

[kay1092]

..."So many coaches would’ve won fife games with this team. Mason would’ve won at least four..."
-- YOU need to be drug tested!!! lol This team does NOT have talent. Mason would NOT win 4 with this bunch!

Our talent is no different than Mizzou or USC. But we lost both games because of our HC

[Versus75]

Get some common sense yourself, dude.

After the SC game you said you were done with this team. Please keep your word and leave us alone.

[docdore]

you can’t make this up

[OldDude]

Hey, is that rushing 4 or 5 guys thing legal ? Someone should tell CCL.

[UltimateVUFan]

..."So many coaches would’ve won fife games with this team. Mason would’ve won at least four..."
-- YOU need to be drug tested!!! lol This team does NOT have talent. Mason would NOT win 4 with this bunch!

Respectfully disagree. Fully believe Mason would’ve won the ETSU game.

This team hung with USCw for a while. And have to think Mason may have had some familiarity with them that helped the cause, but who knows. (Regardless, it speaks to the relative talent of VU that they kept it close for a half.)

Team could (should) have beaten USCe and could also easily have won today.

Not saying the talent is fully on par with the rest of the SEC, but look at what they have done today with the third string RB. They’re at least relatively comparable to the other few bottom-feeders in the league. This coaching staff has just shown some really poor game awareness and management in critical moments. And the defense - Lea’s specialty - isn’t impressing much. You’re kidding yourself if you think he is any better than Mason 2.0 at this point.

[kay1092]

We let 2 QBs who haven't had a SNAP all season win/seal the game back to back on the last drive of the game. And you say it's talent, no it is not. It's scheme and strategy.

[charlestonalum]

We have no room for any errors: we just have to have a perfect game called perfectly An impossible ask in year 1.

[kay1092]

Get some common sense yourself, dude.

After the SC game you said you were done with this team. Please keep your word and leave us alone.

Yes that's what someone says who already lost the argument.

[DivergentDore]

I hope that the critical coaching mistake to end the half isn't the difference in winning the game. Because it certainly was in the USC game. And that would mean CCL cost us 2 SEC wins.

The fake FG was an opportunity to kick a FG which Bulova has hit a 52 yarder before so it's not like he doesn't have the leg.

1. Last week everyone complained that we kicked a field goal near the end. Now you complain that we attempted a first down. Try to be consistent.

2. I’m not saying none of this is on the coaching, but the players don’t always make the plays. We had 3 guys in front of the receiver on the Hail Mary. He jumped higher than they did.

Haven't been a fan of CCL since his introductory presser but I'm in agreement with you on both of those plays.

The fake fg was a great call and executed perfectly by ten players. Unfortunately the 11th player (#10) completely whiffed on his block.

The hail mary defense was another good play call (except maybe the spy). Three defenders were right there to knock the ball down and all three hands their hands at hip level. Inexcusable execution and a breakdown of fundamental defense. There are no bounce passes in football, get your damned hands up.

[kay1092]

I hope that the critical coaching mistake to end the half isn't the difference in winning the game. Because it certainly was in the USC game. And that would mean CCL cost us 2 SEC wins.

The fake FG was an opportunity to kick a FG which Bulova has hit a 52 yarder before so it's not like he doesn't have the leg.

1. Last week everyone complained that we kicked a field goal near the end. Now you complain that we attempted a first down. Try to be consistent.

2. I’m not saying none of this is on the coaching, but the players don’t always make the plays. We had 3 guys in front of the receiver on the Hail Mary. He jumped higher than they did.

Haven't been a fan of CCL since his introductory presser but I'm in agreement with you on both of those plays.

The fake fg was a great call and executed perfectly by ten players. Unfortunately the 11th player (#10) completely whiffed on his block.

The hail mary defense was another good play call (except maybe the spy). Three defenders were right there to knock the ball down and all three hands their hands at hip level. Inexcusable execution and a breakdown of fundamental defense. There are no bounce passes in football, get your damned hands up.

It was a great play, but not at that time. You don't gain anything really if it is successful. And the prevent D, the QB would not have the time needed to complete that pass if we rush 5. Obviously having 8 back there didn't help last time nor this time. When we Brought pressure we caused that QB to have happy feet. He couldn't complete many passes skipping them to WRs. So we let him have 8 seconds and heave it up. Stupid.

[DivergentDore]

1. Last week everyone complained that we kicked a field goal near the end. Now you complain that we attempted a first down. Try to be consistent.

2. I’m not saying none of this is on the coaching, but the players don’t always make the plays. We had 3 guys in front of the receiver on the Hail Mary. He jumped higher than they did.

Haven't been a fan of CCL since his introductory presser but I'm in agreement with you on both of those plays.

The fake fg was a great call and executed perfectly by ten players. Unfortunately the 11th player (#10) completely whiffed on his block.

The hail mary defense was another good play call (except maybe the spy). Three defenders were right there to knock the ball down and all three hands their hands at hip level. Inexcusable execution and a breakdown of fundamental defense. There are no bounce passes in football, get your damned hands up.

It was a great play, but not at that time. You don't gain anything really if it is successful. And the prevent D, the QB would not have the time needed to complete that pass if we rush 5. Obviously having 8 back there didn't help last time nor this time. When we Brought pressure we caused that QB to have happy feet. He couldn't complete many passes skipping them to WRs. So we let him have 8 seconds and heave it up. Stupid.

We needed the extra defenders deep on that play, they simply needed to get their hands up. #3 was in a "deep flat" but let a guy run right past him at the goal line. He's back there to make sure no offensive player gets deeper.

As I typed the above FSU tried a deep hail mary type play. Dabo (a coach with a championship ring) rushed 3 and dropped 8. The Clemson defenders all had their hands up and jumped when the ball arrived. It was knocked to the ground harmlessly. Same play call for both teams and 5+ defenders inside a 3 yard halo of the ball at point of contact. Hands up was the only difference in the plays.

[kay1092]

Haven't been a fan of CCL since his introductory presser but I'm in agreement with you on both of those plays.

The fake fg was a great call and executed perfectly by ten players. Unfortunately the 11th player (#10) completely whiffed on his block.

The hail mary defense was another good play call (except maybe the spy). Three defenders were right there to knock the ball down and all three hands their hands at hip level. Inexcusable execution and a breakdown of fundamental defense. There are no bounce passes in football, get your damned hands up.

It was a great play, but not at that time. You don't gain anything really if it is successful. And the prevent D, the QB would not have the time needed to complete that pass if we rush 5. Obviously having 8 back there didn't help last time nor this time. When we Brought pressure we caused that QB to have happy feet. He couldn't complete many passes skipping them to WRs. So we let him have 8 seconds and heave it up. Stupid.

We needed the extra defenders deep on that play, they simply needed to get their hands up. #3 was in a "deep flat" but let a guy run right past him at the goal line. He's back there to make sure no offensive player gets deeper.

As I typed the above FSU tried a deep hail mary type play. Dabo (a coach with a championship ring) rushed 3 and dropped 8. The Clemson defenders all had their hands up and jumped when the ball arrived. It was knocked to the ground harmlessly. Same play call for both teams and 5+ defenders inside a 3 yard halo of the ball at point of contact. Hands up was the only difference in the plays.

You can be like CCL and say "execution" is the problem. I say it's scheme. Their QB was 22-28 but 8 of those completions were to the RB in the flat. Their longest pass was 19 yards all game excluding the Hail Mary. So we gave them the opportunity to have that play work. We shouldn't give them the chance. 0-2 now with the same stupid strategy. And those were our only 2 games to break an 18 game losing streak in the SEC.

Some coaches play not to lose and others play to win. CJF played to win. He would have won this game also.

[DivergentDore]

It was a great play, but not at that time. You don't gain anything really if it is successful. And the prevent D, the QB would not have the time needed to complete that pass if we rush 5. Obviously having 8 back there didn't help last time nor this time. When we Brought pressure we caused that QB to have happy feet. He couldn't complete many passes skipping them to WRs. So we let him have 8 seconds and heave it up. Stupid.

I have not been a fan of CCL and have openly stated so. I was also very critical of the prevent defense vs USCe when our secondary was physically exhausted and also critical of CCL throwing the players under the bus after everyone saw our secondary was winded and a step slow However, dropping 8 into the endzone on a hail mary attempt is a sound football call and is used by championship winning coaches on all levels.

We needed the extra defenders deep on that play, they simply needed to get their hands up. #3 was in a "deep flat" but let a guy run right past him at the goal line. He's back there to make sure no offensive player gets deeper.

As I typed the above FSU tried a deep hail mary type play. Dabo (a coach with a championship ring) rushed 3 and dropped 8. The Clemson defenders all had their hands up and jumped when the ball arrived. It was knocked to the ground harmlessly. Same play call for both teams and 5+ defenders inside a 3 yard halo of the ball at point of contact. Hands up was the only difference in the plays.

You can be like CCL and say "execution" is the problem. I say it's scheme. Their QB was 22-28 but 8 of those completions were to the RB in the flat. Their longest pass was 19 yards all game excluding the Hail Mary. So we gave them the opportunity to have that play work. We shouldn't give them the chance. 0-2 now with the same stupid strategy. And those were our only 2 games to break an 18 game losing streak in the SEC.

Some coaches play not to lose and others play to win. CJF played to win. He would have won this game also.

[wbl]

Hey, is that rushing 4 or 5 guys thing legal ? Someone should tell CCL.

Old Dude— I have decided there are two unwritten codacils spoken to VU football coaches when they are hired:

1. Run up the middle and stick with it.
2. No D pressure on the passer.

Dean Wormer conveys these codacils to each new coach at the behest of the Chancellor.